Dan Edwardes on the Parkour and Freerunning

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Comment by SafeNSure on December 12, 2008 at 3:01pm

...yeah, no worries: bickering is allowed here.
Now, not that it is encouraged...
lol!

To topic: ...then how about pretty/flashy displacement? How "similar" is that?
And how about just displacement, as in -probably- all track disciplines?
Is 110 hurdles "similar" to parkour?
Half Marathon?
A full one?

See where I'm going with this?...
;)

Comment by hillexallen on December 12, 2008 at 9:38am

I think that even if we are bickering, it is importnat to address things instead of just ignoring them. Ignoring things will not fix them.

I understand now what kaos is saying about dan Edwardes wanting to "own" parkour. I don't like the ADAPT certification, and I don't like the way they are saying "We are the founders, and what we say is right."

But it is definitely non-competitive, that much is pretty clear. I'm going to believe that until I actually see an a video in which Mr. Edwardes clearly says that he and PK generations are pro-competition. so, if you have one, show it to me!!!

Of course we call it the art of movement, but we know that it is not just ANY movement. When I say movement, I really mean displacement.

Comment by SafeNSure on December 12, 2008 at 8:06am

ooops... sorry I missed a couple links and punctuation up there.
But you must have gotten my point...

Also it was posted at the same time with Lethal, so I'm not addressing his concern with "online bickering" (=discussing?), instead I'm probably adding fuel to it...

Comment by SafeNSure on December 11, 2008 at 11:16pm

...not only guys: he (Mr. Edwardes) is "selling" (for free, for now) the PKGen idea of what-they-do-and-how-you-wanna-call-it as the "Real", the Founders", parkour to the world masses... it's about ideological world domination... they don't sell only classes regionally, but they certify coaches based on their monolithic parkour-ArtOfMovement-Freerunning synthesis, and they promote the establishment of a world coaching (and maybe competing?...) organization... they want the Golden Seal of Parkour... and trust me that's not gonna be for free.
;)

Anyway, back to topic:
This is the Art of Movement...

And, if we have to accept some of the generalizations (frankly...) in this thread, more or less inspired by meticulous marketing scripts (see one here), than we could say that "EVERYTHING sportive" is Art of Movement!
For sure gymnastic, acrobatics and martial arts... are they also the same as Parkour?
As Universal and Pan-rationalistic as it sounds, I doubt it...

I even go so far to suspect that Art of Movement was a little superficially translated (nevertheless "catchy") from Art du Deplacement:

- "Art" has assumed in English a much more restricted meaning than in French, and also a much more "artistic", as in "having aesthetic value" (pls. see these first 9 out 10 definitions); in French "art" has primarily a more generic meaning of "method", "skill", "talent" (see here -French-), as for example in "artisanal", not only and primarily "artistic"...
So skill, knowledge, and dexterity over intuition, creativeness, and aesthetics.
What we call Art in English is usually specified in french as Beaux-Arts (Frenchie, correct me if I'm wrong, but if only partially so, allow me to stretch the truth a bit too...lol!)

- "Deplacement", instead is a much more specific term than "movement"; the French term should be translated more accurately with displacement (the state of being displaced or the act of putting in a new place)...
Why is this relevant? Because "displacement" implies reaching through, over, under, across or around something (sounds familiar?), "movement" not.
Tricksters and golfers, i.e., move very well, but "displace" very little or very slowly...

- "du" is instead translated correctly with "of"... LOL!

Having said that: who's up for training tomorrow?
=)

Comment by lethalbeef on December 11, 2008 at 11:15pm

What? Uh, I really see no problem in what he said. Maybe they are trying to sell something, but that really has nothing to do with what Dan said that day. NOTHING. The stuff he talked about actually aligns pretty well with the 'whatever parkour is, let's go out and train instead of bickering on the internet.' Which is exactly what we're doing here. What in "parkour is movement, go out and train" is so threatening?

Calm down.

Comment by Dogwithrabiez on December 11, 2008 at 10:13pm

I dunno. I practiced efficient movement hauling ass to the lunch line pretty fast just a while ago. No need to go around all the stuff in my way! :P

Comment by Kirill on December 11, 2008 at 9:48pm

Dude. Alex. HE IS TRYING TO SELL PK CLASSES. and other absurdity. Why train for money?! Chris rulez!

Comment by Fyrel on December 11, 2008 at 9:46pm

Patrick, maybe you'd like to read the posts here again. ;) The founders did care about the distinction; that's why they split.

Hixallen, he's selling classes, merchandise, and the chance for him to get paid for commercial work.

Comment by Kirill on December 11, 2008 at 9:44pm

An answer Chris's rhetorical question....
To promote the Yamakasi, which will benefit the PKGen Business....Because after hearing "Yamakasi" from PKgen, kids will start running into their 'Academy"

But, we do agree that Parkour freerun started from art-d-D. When we train parkour, we actually train FOR overcoming obstacles in the most efficient manner, we arent really overcoming them using efficiency. I am usually fascinated by how Seng practices. He actually tries to find the most efficient way! Even during the Beginner sessions, people are like "How do you kong that?! Wha about dash to cat?"

We usually practice parkour through tricking. Which does help develop the technique. But not the philosophy.
So, actually most of us really train Art-d-D... But anyhow, the difference exists! And it is wrong to say "It evolved from the internet" David and seb took separate paths...

They are not the same.

Comment by hillexallen on December 11, 2008 at 9:36pm

kaos, WHAT IS DAN EDWARDES' PRODUCT THAT HE IS TRYING TO SELL?

I still don't know, enlighten me!!!

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