Competition - Bay Area Parkour2024-03-28T11:31:29Zhttps://baparkour.ning.com/forum/topics/2070047:Topic:5547?commentId=2070047%3AComment%3A5599&feed=yes&xn_auth=noMade a lot of sense to me...…tag:baparkour.ning.com,2010-02-21:2070047:Comment:588692010-02-21T00:25:13.683ZSafeNSurehttps://baparkour.ning.com/profile/SafeNSure
Made a lot of sense to me...<br />
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Again, I like to go back to the basics:<br />
"<i><a href="http://baparkour.ning.com/page/definition-of-pk">Parkour</a> is the discipline of overcoming obstacles in one's path using only the human body.</i>"<br />
- It encompasses the training, the practice, and the emergency/utilitarian use of Parkour.<br />
- It abides to all speed, safety, longevity, efficiency criteria necessary to achieve its utility goal.<br />
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The mentioned Utility Goal derives directly from Georges Hebert's…
Made a lot of sense to me...<br />
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Again, I like to go back to the basics:<br />
"<i><a href="http://baparkour.ning.com/page/definition-of-pk">Parkour</a> is the discipline of overcoming obstacles in one's path using only the human body.</i>"<br />
- It encompasses the training, the practice, and the emergency/utilitarian use of Parkour.<br />
- It abides to all speed, safety, longevity, efficiency criteria necessary to achieve its utility goal.<br />
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The mentioned Utility Goal derives directly from Georges Hebert's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Method" target="_blank">Natural Method</a>'s motto "Être fort pour être utile" ("Being strong to be useful.").<br />
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Utility, to one self and others, can and has to be measured over time, thus longevity comes into play.<br />
Longevity is directly affected by training safety.<br />
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Hence: a parkour practitioner excels when she/he slowly, but surely and safely progresses in his practice through the years, maximizing not the momentarily result, but the overall utility.<br />
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I also hope this makes sense, because it should...<br />
:) Friday's fatal luge accident…tag:baparkour.ning.com,2010-02-13:2070047:Comment:587592010-02-13T20:04:49.691Zmarisahttps://baparkour.ning.com/profile/marisa
Friday's fatal luge accident has been bringing up some questions concerning the dangers of pushing the sport, or any sport for that matter, to be "bigger, faster, more spectacular." <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/vancouver/luge/news;_ylt=AsJ24Fi4RUs.aRFmSQlBdREpsrV_?slug=jp-danger021210&prov=yhoo&type=lgns" target="_blank">This article</a> reminded me of the ongoing parkour + competition discussion. The following quote especially resonated: "The Olympics, too, fall prey to…
Friday's fatal luge accident has been bringing up some questions concerning the dangers of pushing the sport, or any sport for that matter, to be "bigger, faster, more spectacular." <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/vancouver/luge/news;_ylt=AsJ24Fi4RUs.aRFmSQlBdREpsrV_?slug=jp-danger021210&prov=yhoo&type=lgns" target="_blank">This article</a> reminded me of the ongoing parkour + competition discussion. The following quote especially resonated: "The Olympics, too, fall prey to the notion propagated by football and baseball and other mainstream sports that progress is defined by something measurable."<br />
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I suppose all sports are faced with the question of how to push athletes to excell, without pushing them over the edge and into danger. So, how <i>do</i> we push traceurs to excell? I know that parkour is largely an internal process and part of the satisfaction is that cultivation of personal willpower. But parkour is also a communal, community oriented practice where the progression of an individual is also the accomplishment of the group. Conversely, I'd rather see those being challenged overcome, than drop out of parkour. As a community, how do we cultivate this?<br />
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I really hope this made sense, I'm trying to cut down on the coffee, but the result is a messy brain. ...that is happy/friendly pla…tag:baparkour.ning.com,2008-09-11:2070047:Comment:159242008-09-11T08:00:55.353ZSafeNSurehttps://baparkour.ning.com/profile/SafeNSure
...that is happy/friendly playing in my opinion.<br />
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...that is happy/friendly playing in my opinion.<br />
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ok The reason I brought up ultim…tag:baparkour.ning.com,2008-05-30:2070047:Comment:58442008-05-30T04:52:47.215ZSenghttps://baparkour.ning.com/profile/msgr33
The reason I brought up ultimate is because it seems like a lot of folks' objections to competition is the idea that there is no way to be directly competitive without disrespectful, dangerous and secretive behavior. Ultimate addresses this by immediately saying that there are a number of things more important than winning. There may be other competitive sports which have similar clauses in their rulebooks, but this is just the one I have experience with.
The reason I brought up ultimate is because it seems like a lot of folks' objections to competition is the idea that there is no way to be directly competitive without disrespectful, dangerous and secretive behavior. Ultimate addresses this by immediately saying that there are a number of things more important than winning. There may be other competitive sports which have similar clauses in their rulebooks, but this is just the one I have experience with. By the way, I'm also fine wit…tag:baparkour.ning.com,2008-05-30:2070047:Comment:58422008-05-30T04:18:24.544Zhillexallenhttps://baparkour.ning.com/profile/hillexallen
By the way, I'm also fine with friendly competition where everybody involves benefits from it. I remember at my first jam, kaos and Andrea were trying to catbalance longer than each other. It seemed that they were friendly to each other about it, as they were laughing and having fun, and it seemd that both of them benefitted. That is good competition in my opinion.
By the way, I'm also fine with friendly competition where everybody involves benefits from it. I remember at my first jam, kaos and Andrea were trying to catbalance longer than each other. It seemed that they were friendly to each other about it, as they were laughing and having fun, and it seemd that both of them benefitted. That is good competition in my opinion. I'm still not sure about free…tag:baparkour.ning.com,2008-05-30:2070047:Comment:58402008-05-30T04:15:58.779Zhillexallenhttps://baparkour.ning.com/profile/hillexallen
I'm still not sure about freerunning competitions. In my mind it is sort of "more tricks, less philosophy." However, Sebastian founded it as a non-competitive activity, so we should probably respect that. Maybe, if somebody wanted to create a pk/fr competition, they could call it something else, so the "purists" don't get offended. I would be fine with it as long as it is a separate sport from pk/fr, and the point of it is to win, not to train and get better.
I'm still not sure about freerunning competitions. In my mind it is sort of "more tricks, less philosophy." However, Sebastian founded it as a non-competitive activity, so we should probably respect that. Maybe, if somebody wanted to create a pk/fr competition, they could call it something else, so the "purists" don't get offended. I would be fine with it as long as it is a separate sport from pk/fr, and the point of it is to win, not to train and get better. Just wondering...Why are you…tag:baparkour.ning.com,2008-05-30:2070047:Comment:58362008-05-30T04:02:32.918ZChrishttps://baparkour.ning.com/profile/kaos
Just wondering...Why are you fine with fr competitions? All the same principles apply. Foucan founded freerun as non-competitive as well. He maintains that stance today.
Just wondering...Why are you fine with fr competitions? All the same principles apply. Foucan founded freerun as non-competitive as well. He maintains that stance today. I have mixed views. I'm not s…tag:baparkour.ning.com,2008-05-30:2070047:Comment:58332008-05-30T03:46:04.363Zalexhttps://baparkour.ning.com/profile/alex
I have mixed views. I'm not solely pro or anti competition. It depends on the intent of the competitor, not the competition. If someone wants to push them self and expand their boundries, I think that's a great thing. I know I always do better and push myself in competition, and I ENJOY it. but it your competing for the prize and glory, thats a no-no.<br />
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also, I'm fine with freerunning competitions as long as the difference between fr and pk is acknowledged.
I have mixed views. I'm not solely pro or anti competition. It depends on the intent of the competitor, not the competition. If someone wants to push them self and expand their boundries, I think that's a great thing. I know I always do better and push myself in competition, and I ENJOY it. but it your competing for the prize and glory, thats a no-no.<br />
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also, I'm fine with freerunning competitions as long as the difference between fr and pk is acknowledged. I thought their point was tha…tag:baparkour.ning.com,2008-05-29:2070047:Comment:57292008-05-29T11:14:09.592ZSenghttps://baparkour.ning.com/profile/msgr33
I thought their point was that there is no difference in either movement or mentality, they are the same aside from the words and etymology.
I thought their point was that there is no difference in either movement or mentality, they are the same aside from the words and etymology.